I've asked 
                    old students, people who have sat in meditation for quite 
                    awhile, what kinds of things they were working with after 
                    five or ten or fifteen years of practice. They say, "I'm 
                    working with fear" or "I'm working with habit and 
                    desires that arise over and over" or "I'm working 
                    with laziness" or "I'm working with irritation" 
                    or anger; common kinds of energies. What I hear even from 
                    people who have sat in meditation for a long time is the same 
                    list of the five basic hindrances that are discussed in the 
                    second day of every retreat. It seems that they stay around 
                    for awhile. So I'd like to look at them in the context of 
                    people who have been practicing for awhile and living their 
                    lives, and see how we can continue to work with them since 
                    they seem to be part of our family life, so to speak, or inner 
                    family life anyway.
                  How can 
                    we understand the hindrances or the traditional difficulties 
                    in meditation in our daily life? First of all, it is important 
                    to understand, as you go on in the path of spiritual practice, 
                    that often the weaknesses or difficulties that we encounter 
                    are the places that most wake us up. The places where we seem 
                    most successful and the best of things are often also the 
                    places that are the strongest part of our self image or our 
                    "ego" in some kind of Eastern sense of that word. 
                    And it's the places that are our very difficulties and our 
                    vulnerabilities that often allow us to grow in a more genuine 
                    way when we look at them, when we work with them.
                  There 
                    was a wonderful paper that was written a few years ago by 
                    Seymour and Sylvia Boorstein for the Journal of Transpersonal 
                    Psychology, and it was called "The Five Hindrances of 
                    Marriage." It talked about the difficulties that the 
                    Buddha described in meditation -- desire, anger, restlessness, 
                    laziness or sleepiness, doubt -- and it describes the process 
                    of marriage as encountering these exact same forces. Desire 
                    for something else or better. Irritation and anger, especially 
                    when you discover that that person really isn't behaving in 
                    the way that you expected and hoped and planned for them, 
                    and all the irritation and frustration that comes from that. 
                    The third hindrance of sleepiness or laziness, discovering 
                    after awhile that one can get complacent in relationships. 
                    Or the opposite -- restlessness, the traditional Seven Year 
                    Itch; after a certain cycle in a relationship, one gets restless 
                    for something new or something different. And doubt. "Is 
                    this the right person?" or "Is this the right way 
                    to be living?" and the same forces which arise when one 
                    sits in meditation and tries to open one's eyes inwardly, 
                    and one's heart and mind seem to arise in relation to the 
                    people we're closest to, and all the other people at distances 
                    from us.
                  Can you 
                    recognize that? Can you see that there are parallels between 
                    the sitting and other things around? There are all kinds of 
                    stories that we make up about these states. "He did," 
                    and "she did," and "I will," and "she 
                    should," and so forth. It's useful to see that those 
                    stories are based on kind of myths that we build about ourselves 
                    and the world, identities that are created mostly by thought, 
                    and, in fact, things are a lot simpler than that.
                  This is 
                    from Achaan Chaa:
                   
                    Traditionally 
                      the Eightfold Path is taught with eight steps such as Right 
                      Understanding, Right Speech, Right Concentration, and so 
                      forth. But the true Eightfold Path is within us: two eyes, 
                      two ears, two nostrils, a tongue and a body. These eight 
                      doors are our entire Path and the mind is the one that walks 
                      on the Path. If you know just these things, and the states 
                      that arise with them, all of the dharma is in front of you.
                  
                  We all 
                    have these stories about experiences, but actually our experiences, 
                    if we want to live more in the moment, are much simpler than 
                    that, much simpler than our stories.
                  Let's 
                    talk about the five hindrances a little bit and maybe reflect 
                    in some ways how they arise, not just while sitting, but all 
                    the rest of the time, which is what practice is for. You sit 
                    and practice in order then to live it. That's why it's called 
                    "Practice."
                  Desire 
                    is the juiciest one of them. As Oscar Wilde said, "I 
                    can resist anything but temptation." It's the one that 
                    we get caught up in in different ways. It's amazing, wanting 
                    is a very powerful habit. We can want anything, and it changes 
                    from one thing to another. We desire one thing and then we 
                    desire another. In the retreats, as you know, there's the 
                    phenomena of things like The Vipassana Romance where people 
                    are silent and not looking at anyone and just paying attention, 
                    and they notice some interesting shape or something out there, 
                    and then they just sit, and all of a sudden the whole idea 
                    comes, what it would be like to maybe meet that person, and 
                    talk with them, perhaps after the retreat to go out and meditate 
                    together, or some other activity like that. And that goes 
                    on, you know -- marriage, children. In California it usually 
                    includes divorce as well, if you really play it all the way 
                    out. And without making eye contact with that person, the 
                    mind spins out this fantasy of things that will fulfill it 
                    better than whatever experience is here, with the breath, 
                    or the body, or whatever is actually here.
                  That same 
                    movement can be observed, if you look, all the time in our 
                    life. It's called the "If-Only Mind." It's the mind 
                    that arises in the moment of experience and says, "If 
                    only I had something else," "If only I had a different 
                    partner," or "If only they behaved in a different 
                    way," or "If only I had a different job," or 
                    "If only I had more free time," or more money, or 
                    a house more in the country, or a house more in the city, 
                    or "If only I were younger," or "If only I 
                    were older," or whatever. It's always the same state. 
                    I watched it when I was a monk and all I had were a few books 
                    and a robe and bowl. Possessions were really minimal. Even 
                    so, I found myself thinking, "If only I had a little 
                    nicer robe." It has nothing to do with what's around 
                    us. It's this movement inside of feeling like what's here 
                    is not enough. Do you know what I'm talking about?
                  Nasrudin 
                    says:
                   
                    Never 
                      give people anything they ask for
                      until at least a day has passed.
                      Someone said, "Why not?"
                      "Experience shows they only appreciate something
                      when they have the opportunity of doubting
                      whether they will get it or not."
                  
                  One of 
                    the interesting things when you start to look at and work 
                    with the hindrance of desire is to see that what relieves 
                    it, what makes one finally happy about it, is not so much 
                    the thing that you get, or the person, or the experience that 
                    you get at the end - this is important, so listen to this 
                    - it's actually the fact that the state of desiring has ended. 
                    I'll give you a simple example. Suppose you have a craving 
                    for some food that you really want to have. It can be pizza 
                    or ice cream or cannelloni, you name it, whatever it happens 
                    to be. You go and you get it. You do all the things. You get 
                    in your car, you go, you finally get it, you have it in your 
                    hand, and you take the first bite of whatever it is. And usually 
                    the moment that you taste it, there's this great sense of 
                    delight and release, and so forth, and part of it may be because 
                    it tastes good and it's pleasurable, if it's part of your 
                    fantasy -- but the main piece is, in that moment, finally 
                    the wanting stops. Do you understand that? And that a good 
                    deal of the joy of fulfilling desires is not so much of the 
                    getting of the thing, because you have it for a little while 
                    and then you want the next thing -- it's endless -- but rather 
                    that there's a moment where the wanting itself stops. If you 
                    look closely in yourself, if you let yourself look, you find 
                    that the very process of wanting is painful; that the very 
                    state of not being complete or content or present with what's 
                    here is what the pain is about.
                  That's 
                    a familiar hindrance. Let's talk about some of the others, 
                    and then talk about ways one could work with them in one's 
                    life. Of course, the first piece is just beginning to understand 
                    how these operate in ourselves.
                  The next 
                    four are quite interesting. Anger, sleep, restlessness and 
                    doubt -- even desire to a certain extent is included -- I 
                    tend to see them all as states of avoidance. They're really 
                    states which arise so that we can avoid something, some aspect 
                    of what's true in our experience. Maybe I can explain that 
                    as we go along.
                  Anger, 
                    which includes irritation and judgment and boredom, not liking 
                    what's present, fear -- all of those are the movement of anger. 
                    It's a very painful state, for the most part, if you look 
                    at it. The body has a lot of tension, there's heat, there's 
                    burning if you're angry. Even irritation has a lot of tension 
                    in it. Yet in some way we do it again partly out of habit. 
                    Another reason that we do it is because it makes us feel right 
                    in some way. You know what I mean about being right. That's 
                    the favorite feeling of many people because it's the feeling 
                    that most authenticates the sense of yourself.
                  Two weeks 
                    ago when we talked about Forgiveness somebody stood up or 
                    raised their hand and said something that was really powerful. 
                    They said, "Here we are, stewing and raging and angry 
                    about something that someone has done, and very often they're 
                    off going about their own business enjoying themselves. And 
                    who's suffering? It's us because it wasn't that way, and we're 
                    so angry, and it should have been, and so forth. And who is 
                    doing the holding on at that point? I'm not saying that you 
                    shouldn't be angry -- you can be angry or hold grudges; you're 
                    welcome to do anything. -- We're just looking at the laws 
                    of how it operates.
                  I remember 
                    I was sitting at this one monastery for a long time meditating, 
                    and I had a bout of anger about something, which I have regularly, 
                    and I went to the teacher and told him how angry I was about 
                    something. It was in the hot season and he was wearing those 
                    little flip-flop sandals. He got up and went over to the table 
                    where we were sitting and he kicked the table leg. It looked 
                    like it hurt him. Then he held his foot and he hopped around 
                    for awhile. Then he sat back down and kind of massaged his 
                    foot. Then he looked at me and he shook his head. That was 
                    his response to my being angry. He just kind of acted out 
                    what we do. Just like desire, where we can desire anything, 
                    and it doesn't matter what it is, the force is there, and 
                    we get our food, or our relationship, or our car, or our vacation, 
                    or our time off, whatever it is, and then we look for the 
                    next thing because it's so powerful. The same with anger. 
                    We can get angry at anything, including things that are already 
                    past and nothing can be done about them. And even more, we 
                    can imagine something which somebody is going to do, and sit 
                    there and get really angry at what they might do. Have you 
                    ever seen yourself do that?
                  We project 
                    our righteousness on other people in some way. We project 
                    our pain, is really what it's about; that we're in some kind 
                    of pain, and we make it somebody else's fault. Also there's 
                    as much suffering in the world as we experience at certain 
                    times, and we don't want to take it in because it's so hard 
                    for our hearts, and our culture is one that doesn't train 
                    the human heart very well to deal with the measure of pain 
                    that's part of life.
                  I got 
                    quite angry today. In fact, I was really yelling at somebody. 
                    I won't talk about the specifics so much. I felt so indignant 
                    and I felt so right that it was very hard not to do it. It's 
                    interesting to observe. It's not like anger is some terrible 
                    thing, or that it won't arise, or that all these other states 
                    won't arise, or that there might not even be an occasion where 
                    it was appropriate. There are some occasions for that, especially 
                    if you're able to let it move through you instead of storing 
                    it as resentment and all kinds of other things, or if you 
                    use it in a way that isn't really intended to hurt other people. 
                    That's a whole other talk about anger.
                  But here 
                    we are, living in a pretty busy and complicated world, and 
                    we see this state of being angry, or being irritated, or judgmental, 
                    arise very often, and yet we are the victims of it. It's we 
                    who suffer from it. The question, when it comes, is: How can 
                    we relate to it? It's really the pain in us that we're talking 
                    about. If we can look at that, then we can touch the world 
                    and heal it a little bit. It's very difficult to do without 
                    healing our own pain.
                  Let's 
                    talk about laziness, and so forth. I said all of these are 
                    avoidances. Very often anger is really a way of not feeling 
                    the pain of someone else or what our own experience is. Judgment 
                    and fear are the same things. Sleepiness is the same. Sleepiness, 
                    the habit of going unconscious. When is it that sleepiness 
                    arises? There are three basic causes for it. It comes when 
                    we're tired. That's the first one. And that's a good signal. 
                    You sit in meditation or you find yourself at other times 
                    having sleepiness. arise for you; then take a look and see 
                    what are the causes. Now, if it's just that you've been working 
                    kind of hard and you're tired, that's one thing. Then you 
                    just respect your body and maybe take a rest.
                  But because 
                    we're in 80's in California, in a Western culture, how many 
                    people when they get sleepy or tired are living in such a 
                    way that it's really a signal? How are you living your life, 
                    how busy is it, how full is it; where are we going that we 
                    fill it up so much? Does that make sense to any of you? So 
                    that's a signal. It's a signal even if it is just tiredness. 
                    Let's look at what pace we live at, or let's look of how we 
                    fill up our lives, and what we might be avoiding in some way 
                    in doing that.
                  One part 
                    of sleepiness is just that we're tired. The second is that 
                    we are unaccustomed to stillness, that our culture moves so 
                    fast and we get into that rhythm. Then when it's time to stop, 
                    and you sit to meditate or you walk outside, or you go home 
                    you kick your shoes off, you start to think, "Maybe I 
                    could meditate. No, I'm too tired to do it." The way 
                    I put it in retreats is: When we start to get quiet, there's 
                    some little voice in there that says, "Oh, it's quiet; 
                    it must be bedtime," because it's one of the few times 
                    we stop. It's a response in us, when we start to get still 
                    or concentrated or quiet. And sometimes the fear comes, "Oh, 
                    this is too quiet, what will I do with this? It's too empty, 
                    there isn't enough activity for me to know who I am," 
                    because we define ourselves by our activities.
                  The third 
                    reason that sleepiness arises is that it is a kind of resistance. 
                    You will notice yourself becoming lazy or sleepy at certain 
                    times in your spiritual life not because you're overtired 
                    or not because it's too quiet. And that's an unfamiliar state 
                    that you need to work with, to learn to open again like a 
                    child; but because there's some pain or sorrow or grief or 
                    difficulty or conflict that's kind of hard to feel, it's easier 
                    just to be sleepy about it. Has anybody noticed that happening 
                    in their lives, or how often it can happen?
                  Our culture 
                    is amazing. Not just our culture, it's worldwide. There are 
                    ten million drug addicts, and 20 million alcoholics, and 50 
                    million people who are close to those drug addicts and alcoholics 
                    -- and their families or family-systems, who are really painfully 
                    touched by that; deeply so. And more than half of all the 
                    car accidents where people are killed and 80 or 90 percent 
                    of child abuse and the great majority of fires at home, and 
                    all of those things, are involved with alcohol and drugs. 
                    And the level of pain, if you start to work with people around 
                    the family systems of alcohol and drugs, and so forth -- it's 
                    extraordinary. Yet, the purpose of all of that, for the most 
                    part, is to cover pain. A friend of mine who worked in a drug 
                    program for many years said that generally speaking the amount 
                    of drugs and alcohol used is equal to the amount of pain in 
                    the person, not to be too simplistic about it. So that's what 
                    I mean by avoidance; that there are states that arise for 
                    us that keep us from feeling.
                  Restlessness 
                    is a different one. The vibration, the movement, the habit 
                    of our culture is to be speedy. TV, shopping, eating, traveling, 
                    the telephone, all of these things, where we keep ourselves 
                    busy because we don't know what to do. We're not taught as 
                    we grow up how to nurture ourselves in stillness, how to listen 
                    more to the breeze, or the clouds, or the trees, or the children, 
                    or the people around us, or how to just sit on our porch and 
                    rock in our chairs a little bit and watch stuff go by, as 
                    people used to do, instead of constantly being busy with it. 
                    I have to confess I'm one of us in that one. Somebody from 
                    Europe who heard my dharma talks wanted to sit a long retreat 
                    and came to a three-month retreat. They said they were so 
                    disappointed in me because I tend to move pretty quickly, 
                    and they said I seemed more like an Italian shoe salesman 
                    than a calm meditation teacher. And it's true.
                  Someone 
                    who has done a lot of vipassana practice and has worked with 
                    eating disorders, has titled one of her books feeding the 
                    hungry heart. A lot of our busyness is because we're looking 
                    for something to fulfill us. So we eat or go shopping or travel, 
                    or pick up the phone, or turn on the TV really compulsively 
                    at times, because there's something we want -- and it doesn't 
                    quite do it. That's the kind of restlessness. The ability 
                    to just stop and be, like when you're in a traffic jam where 
                    you say, "Here, I am on the Golden Gate Bridge; I might 
                    as well feel the bridge vibrate and kind of look at what the 
                    shipping is doing, instead of thinking of where I could be 
                    or being frustrated." It's to be with what is.
                  There 
                    have been a number of movies from Australia. I remember one 
                    called the last wave, with pictures of the aborigines. One 
                    of the things that most struck me about them was that when 
                    the aborigines sat down, they sat. It was like they sat and 
                    they could have been on a rock, Ayers Rock or something, and 
                    they just sat there, and they could have sat all day and all 
                    night and all week. But you don't see that in our culture; 
                    you see this sense of movement almost to the extent where 
                    people can't sit still, can't pause, can't stop because of 
                    what would they feel.
                  Someone 
                    asked Nijinsky about his dancing, how he could dance in such 
                    a marvelous way, and he said that there had to be some stillness 
                    in it. He said:
                   
                    It's 
                      really quite simple. I merely leap and pause.
                  
                  What a 
                    description, "I merely leap and pause." Can we learn 
                    to stop a little bit? Maybe that's all that meditation is 
                    about, just to stop. Then the last hindrance is doubt, confusion, 
                    tension, kind of wondering, "What should my work be, 
                    how should my spiritual life go, am I in the right relationship, 
                    am I in the right workplace, am I in the right part of the 
                    country." We Americans have the curse of choice. That's 
                    not a trivial thing. It enlivens and it enriches the culture 
                    and our lives, but it's a very difficult thing and it's not 
                    so for most cultures. And usually when doubt arises strongly 
                    it does so because our heads, our thinking apparatus is not 
                    connected with our heart. If you look in the moment where 
                    there's a lot of confusion or doubt, it's there because there's 
                    much thought and not much connection to the heart, to what 
                    we might do based on our deeper values.
                  Another 
                    way to put it is: when there's a lot of doubt, often connected 
                    with it is a lack of love for ourselves or a lack of love 
                    for the other, for the world around us. If we're in touch 
                    with that love, our path becomes pretty clear. Do you remember 
                    the question I asked the night of the talk on Forgiveness 
                    that came from Gandhi's tomb along the Ganges in Delhi where 
                    the question was inscribed in stone:
                   
                    Think 
                      of the poorest person you have ever met, and then before 
                      acting ask if or how this act will be of benefit to that 
                      person.
                  
                  Confusion 
                    generally comes when we're not in touch with what we really 
                    value in life. And again, it requires a stopping, an opening, 
                    a listening inside.
                  These 
                    are the hindrances. Are they familiar? Certainly they are. 
                    They are our companions in the journey. We see them over and 
                    over in sitting, we see them over and over in the world outside, 
                    in the cause for war. When I was angry there was a very strong 
                    impulse in me to call and register a complaint and try to 
                    solve something. And then being met by aggression, it was 
                    very easy to see if someone chooses to be your adversary how 
                    easy it is to take up the banner and say, "Alright, I'll 
                    do it. I'm a man. Why not?" or whatever it is. That's 
                    one of the problems, yes. But it's worldwide -- prejudice, 
                    greed, fear and desire; these same forces that create war 
                    or that create grain elevators full of food in one place and 
                    hungry people in another.
                  The question 
                    is: Are they workable? Can one work with these forces? Lama 
                    Yeshe in that excerpt that I've read about his time being 
                    in the hospital and going through all the great difficulty 
                    with his heart attack, said:
                   
                    Can 
                      you learn the basic precept of transforming your unwanted 
                      sufferings into the path of practice?
                  
                  If you 
                    can learn that precept, it will serve you in any circumstances. 
                    Can you learn to do that? Can any of us do that? What does 
                    it take? A key thing that it requires is faith. It is so important 
                    -- faith in the human heart, faith in the power of awareness. 
                    The Dalai Lama was asked what was the most important thing 
                    one can do as a teacher of dharma, what's the most important 
                    thing you can communicate, and he said "Faith." 
                    Not faith in the Buddha or faith in something from India or 
                    some ancient system, but really faith in our own true nature. 
                    Rock bottom understanding of that, not just with words but 
                    because you know that it's true that human beings have this 
                    capacity to deal with the sorrows of the world and with adversity, 
                    and that the heart is greater than all of that, and that the 
                    power of awareness is such that we can grow from any of it. 
                    That's what we have to discover -- in ourselves, in our sitting, 
                    in our families, in our lives. Faith, not so much in doing 
                    but in stopping, in listening, in not doing so much, and letting 
                    ourselves stop avoiding things that are difficult, not getting 
                    so caught by the stories of what we want or what we don't 
                    want. That's all the mind. Minds do that, it's sort of their 
                    job -- you pay them a little bit and they just think all the 
                    time.
                  Rilke 
                    talks about it quite beautifully in a poem which he calls, 
                    "I Have Faith in Nights."
                   
                    You 
                      darkness that I come from,
                      out of which all things come,
                      I love you more than all the fires
                      that fence in the world,
                      for the fire makes a circle of light for everyone,
                      and then no one outside learns of you.
                      But the darkness pulls in everything,
                      shapes and fires, animals and myself.
                      How easily it gathers them,
                      powers and people.
                      It is possible a great energy is moving near us.
                      I have faith in night.
                  
                  Amazing 
                    poem, darkness out of which everything comes.
                  Can we 
                    stop -- in our practice, in our lives with our families -- 
                    and start to listen, and let ourselves be a little emptier, 
                    a little more silent, more in touch with the spaces between 
                    words or between desires or between frustrations? There is 
                    something really mysterious that reveals itself as soon as 
                    we stop. It doesn't take very long, and maybe there's a certain 
                    pain that one has to go through in putting on the brakes, 
                    if you know what I mean -- each time, again and again, too 
                    -- but when you do it, then things become mysterious again 
                    like it is for any child.
                  Walt Whitman 
                    said:
                   
                    As to 
                      me I know of nothing else but miracles
                      when you're still enough.
                  
                  The source 
                    of our happiness is not through our doing, it's really much 
                    more through stopping. How can we work with our hindrances 
                    very specifically? First of all, if you identify the most 
                    popular ones in your own personal repertoire, it helps a lot. 
                    If you're going to go to the theater, you might as well know 
                    what play is on. I've talked on some nights about Buddhist 
                    personality typology, which is based on our responses that 
                    come out of the sense of separateness itself; and the three 
                    roots in Buddhist psychology are the greed type, the aversion 
                    type, and the deluded type.
                  Just to 
                    remind you in a simple way, we all have all of it in us. I'm 
                    a great example of the greedy type. The general response of 
                    the greedy type is to go into a new situation and see what 
                    we like about it, and see how we might get more of it, what's 
                    lovely about it or what we appreciate. Forget the rest. Now, 
                    the aversion type -- my wife is more in that category -- is 
                    somebody who goes into a situation and sees what's wrong with 
                    it, which is a very different response, painted wrong, the 
                    colors are wrong, and people are behaving wrong, and so forth. 
                    And then the deluded type whose tendency is to go into a new 
                    situation and not know what to make of it, not know what their 
                    place is.
                  Does this 
                    make sense to you? Do you understand these types of either 
                    wanting or being critical or not knowing your place in it? 
                    There's a lot more. -- There's the Buddhist families, Ratna, 
                    Padma, Vajra, all these styles which I might talk about a 
                    little bit more. What's interesting is that each of these 
                    also has a positive side, which we'll get to later, things 
                    that can be transformed in us. The point about this is that 
                    it begins to become useful if we want to work with the hindrances 
                    in our daily life to start to see what our own patterns are. 
                    Is it our tendency to get irritated all the time, or is it 
                    our tendency to go to sleep all the time, or is it our tendency 
                    to eat to avoid, to use desire in that way, or is there some 
                    other tendency?
                  My teacher 
                    Achaan Chah used to be very forthright about it. It was part 
                    of his teaching style. He would kind of give nicknames to 
                    a number of his monks and people around. It was a little bit 
                    like The Seven Dwarfs _ Sleepy and Dopey and stuff like that. 
                    "This is a monk that's always into eating. Oh, here's 
                    my monk, why don't you meet him? This is Sleepy. Whenever 
                    I visit, go to his cottage, he's always sleeping," and 
                    so forth. He did it with a lot of humor.
                  You've 
                    got to start to look at what is your particular way of not 
                    being present. The thing is that they're not bad. You don't 
                    have to say, "Well, I'm a bad person," because this 
                    is just the nature of being born with a self-structure or 
                    having it develop in early childhood. What's important is 
                    to see that it's actually very alive, and that if you can 
                    begin to work with it, it's interesting. Aren't you interested 
                    in yourself? Fess up! Come on! Why not look at the patterns 
                    that we use in relating to things? It's really juicy and it 
                    can be transformed.
                  The first 
                    thing is to see what are the popular patterns in oneself. 
                    So I ask you that for yourself -- which are the ones that 
                    you use? Then the second, after you recognize that, which 
                    helps you to kind of keep on the lookout for them, is to begin 
                    to identify mindfully the state or the experience as it arises 
                    in the moment, or as close to the moment as you can -- the 
                    wanting or the fear or the desire or the doubt. And a little 
                    while later you say, "Oh, here I am in it," and 
                    to identify it by acknowledging it. It's very useful to use 
                    a label, "fear, fear" or "desire" or "wanting" 
                    - just give it its name in a neutral way. You really see the 
                    force as an opportunity to learn. "Alright, I've had 
                    29 years or 48 years of this mostly being my pattern. Let 
                    me really look at it. How soon does it come? What situations 
                    cause it to arise? What does it feel like in the body? What's 
                    going on with me in that moment? What's the experience like?"
                  So the 
                    second thing is to identify it, the best you can, without 
                    judgment. It's hard because we tend to say these are bad -- 
                    it's bad to be irritated or to be fearful or to be angry, 
                    or it's bad to be desiring or wanting. If we want to learn 
                    about them, the key is to be mindful, which is to say, to 
                    see and observe them as if you were studying a different person. 
                    Say, "Gee, this is an interesting force. How is this 
                    operating?" It's also important to see that they're workable. 
                    When you identify or label it, it changes from being overwhelming 
                    to, "Oh, this is just the dark night of the soul." 
                    It's difficult, but you know what to call it. Or in your relationship, 
                    instead of saying, "Oh, this is not going right, I should 
                    look for another partner," it might be, "Oh, this 
                    is just a state of doubt or restlessness. Let me see if I 
                    can look at that in myself."
                  Then the 
                    third piece is to make friends with it, to really receive 
                    it with your heart as well as your attention, because if you 
                    dislike it, even in a subtle way in your heart, when you say, 
                    "desire, desire, desire" or "aversion" 
                    or whatever, it's not going to go away or change. You won't 
                    even learn much about it because you're still in struggle 
                    with it. The more that you struggle with pains or experiences, 
                    actually the more real they become inside.
                  The fourth 
                    is to observe how it changes -- the more carefully, the better. 
                    Maybe you should study one a week. Pick one and observe what 
                    does it feel like in the body. How long does it last when 
                    you label it? How many labels long? What triggers it to arise? 
                    What state usually follows it? What is it like if you're working 
                    with desire and you note "desire, desire, desire," 
                    or whatever it happens to be? What's the moment like when 
                    it stops? I keep thinking of this cartoon that was in mad 
                    magazine: Alfred E. Newman was at the blackboard, and he was 
                    writing, he was down to about his hundredth time, and it said, 
                    "Cessation of desire, cessation of desire, cessation 
                    of desire," It was his assignment for that day. Look 
                    at and see if you're examining desire or fear or whatever, 
                    see what it feels like, and see if you can notice the moment 
                    when it changes. Very interesting moment, because at that 
                    moment you begin to realize not only its impermanence, but 
                    also that it's very impersonal, it comes according to a certain 
                    story or forces. It doesn't last very long unless we keep 
                    telling the story over and over.
                  You can 
                    practice with little ones. You can practice with annoyance 
                    with your partner or your spouse. Practice watching when you 
                    feel yourself to be right. Just practice watching for that 
                    little impulse that says, "I'm right." It's a very 
                    interesting one. Or practice carefully with certain desires 
                    that arise that you know, those are the ones you'd like to 
                    learn about, and see what it's like as it arises.
                  First 
                    is to look at key patterns and sort of recognize the territory 
                    for yourself. The second is to identify the experience in 
                    the moment. The third is to touch it with your heart as well 
                    as seeing and labeling it, to really let it in and not condemn 
                    it so much. The fourth is to notice how it changes, notice 
                    it's process, beginning and end, what comes before and afterward. 
                    Take little things to work with; practice easy ones.
                  The next 
                    -- and this is really a key -- is see if you can discover 
                    or observe what it hides you from, what it distracts you from, 
                    what it covers up, what's the fear. When I said these are 
                    all forms of avoidance, if you let yourself feel desire, or 
                    fear, or boredom, or doubt, or restlessness, and you observe 
                    it, see if you can listen inside yourself a little more deeply, 
                    or even on a cellular level somehow, and see what it is that 
                    you're moving away from, that you run from. Some of it is 
                    moving away from being "just this much," as Achaan 
                    Chaa says. We're always at war trying to make life more than 
                    it is, make it bigger, or grander, or happier, or sadder, 
                    or longer, or shorter, or lighter, or darker.
                  We move 
                    away from hunger, we move away from loneliness, we move away 
                    from grief, or unfinished business, or pain in our heart, 
                    or the fact that we haven't really been intimate in our relations 
                    at times, and that's difficult to acknowledge, so we distract 
                    ourselves, or we move away from pains that are unfinished 
                    in the past where we haven't forgiven, or meaninglessness, 
                    or we move away from fear that things are out of control. 
                    They are! Or we move away from space; it gets quiet and the 
                    whole sense of oneself which is built on busyness starts to 
                    go away, and that's scary, so we distract ourselves.
                  It's not 
                    only to observe the hindrance or the state, but also to listen 
                    more deeply and see what you would experience if you let yourself 
                    just get here. What might you be avoiding? It's a little bit 
                    like going through a layer of ice that's a little painful, 
                    if you want to go into the water and explore the depths of 
                    it. There's all kinds of amazing things. But you have to stop 
                    skating, and then there's a moment where you say, "Whoops, 
                    I think I'm going to break through the ice," and you 
                    do. It's okay to stop and feel what's actually present. This 
                    is a big part of practice, to open your body, to use your 
                    breath, your attention, and your heart, and feel what's here, 
                    and stop moving; to come to rest in the moment. This is where 
                    it gets very delicate. It's called, Watching the Movement 
                    of Mind.
                  I'll close 
                    again with something from Achaan Chah. He talks about the 
                    Middle Way:
                   
                    On one 
                      side it's like you're being kicked on one side with desire, 
                      and the other is aversion, left and right. One who follows 
                      the Middle Way says, "I will not get caught by the 
                      pleasure or pain. I will let go of each as they arise, accepting 
                      one moment after another. But it's hard. It's as though 
                      we're being kicked on both sides, like a cow bell or a pendulum 
                      knocked back and forth. We're always besieged by pleasure 
                      and pain, and then we follow by a response, "I don't 
                      like it, I do like it."
                    If you 
                      observe this, use your heart for guidance. You'll see that 
                      when the heart is in its natural state, it's unattached, 
                      it's accepting. When it stirs from the normal it's because 
                      of various thoughts and ideas, the process of construction, 
                      of images. This is the illusion.
                    Learn 
                      to see this process clearly. When the mind is stirred from 
                      its normal state it leads away from this moment into past, 
                      into future, into right and wrong, into indulgence and aversion, 
                      creating more illusion, more of movement.
                    Good 
                      and bad arise only in the mind. If you keep watch on this, 
                      studying this one topic your whole life, I guarantee you'll 
                      never be bored.
                  
                  He says 
                    in another place:
                   
                    Just 
                      take one seat in the middle of the room and don't get up, 
                      and see the things as they come and go.
                  
                  So working 
                    with these states in one's sitting practice, in driving in 
                    a traffic jam, in the supermarket, in one's marriage, or one's 
                    intimate relations, in the workplace -- they're the same forces. 
                    Begin to work by identifying them, start to see what your 
                    common patterns are, maybe take a look and see what you're 
                    avoiding by having them there, and see if you can bring your 
                    heart into them as well, because for the most part they arise 
                    out of some place of pain. If we can open and soften to that, 
                    to kind of melt to it, there's a much deeper place of well-being 
                    that is our Buddha-nature, that is our birthright, and it's 
                    there for anybody who stops.
                  This is 
                    Emily Dickinson:
                   
                    When 
                      much in the woods as a little girl,
                      I was told that the snake would bite me,
                      that I might pick a poisonous flower
                      or mushroom, or the goblins would kidnap me.
                      But I went along and met none but angels.
                  
                  I guess 
                    the second half will wait until another night. We have a few 
                    moments for thoughts, comments, questions. And in the second 
                    half we'll take more time because I'd like to hear from you 
                    about common hindrances that you discover in your daily life 
                    and how you've learned to look at them or work with them.
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    A question about depression. I've read that depression can 
                    be stated as anger turning inward. Any comments about that, 
                    regarding anger being one of the hindrances?
                  JACK: 
                    Is this for yourself particularly?
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    Yes.
                  JACK: 
                    So at times you experience depression and you wonder how it 
                    relates to anger? Is that it?
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    What's going on?
                  JACK: 
                    It is often the case, although not always, that depression 
                    is a cover for anger; that one has had some circumstance in 
                    life that first brought a lot of pain, and then the response 
                    to that pain is anger. If that's unexpressed in people, the 
                    energy to keep that anger down is as strong as the anger itself, 
                    and it bottles up a great deal of energy, and then one can 
                    feel fearful, depressed, lacking any sense of personal empowerment. 
                    So often, although not always, in working with depression, 
                    you might look to see where you've really cut yourself off 
                    from your true feelings or your true inner relationship to 
                    things around. That's not the only cause for depression, and 
                    it's important to see that it's a very personal process that 
                    we're discussing; that there isn't some rote formula. For 
                    someone else it might be loss and there might be a bit of 
                    anger but there could be some other sense of grief or loss, 
                    possibly other reasons as well. So it's more an inquiry. What 
                    you might do is look at what time of day it gets the strongest 
                    or in what circumstances, and then stop and sit. Say, "Alright, 
                    I'm going to feel this," and see what images come, where 
                    you feel it in your body, what images might arise.
                  Do you 
                    feel it in your body when you're depressed?
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    Yes. Then it becomes sleepiness.
                  JACK: 
                    So you get sleepy. So that's one function. Do you feel it 
                    in any particular place?
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    All over.
                  JACK: 
                    So then you might sit with that and feel the sleepiness and 
                    see what's under that, what would come up if you weren't sleepy. 
                    Just pay careful attention. If you really want to go further, 
                    see if you can feel the strongest sensation in your body, 
                    and then let an image arise, whatever image wants to come 
                    out of it that may show you a picture of what that inner conflict 
                    really is.
                  It's a 
                    good question.
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    What would be an interesting discussion one night is talk 
                    about when we're happy. It seems to seduce us away from the 
                    inner work. I mean, me.
                  JACK: 
                    What seduces us away?
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    Happiness. When I'm feeling really happy and things are going 
                    right, some things are going right, it's like, "Well, 
                    I might not have time to go to meditation."
                  JACK: 
                    I'd love to talk about happiness some night. I see it much 
                    broader than that. That's a very good point, that at times 
                    happiness can lead to a kind of complacency. However, there 
                    are other kinds of happiness that are very genuine and really 
                    nurturing of spiritual life, that touching them actually gives 
                    us the strength to deal with difficulties. So it's a whole 
                    range, and there can be great joys that come out of spiritual 
                    practice as well. Seeing the layer of things that we've avoided, 
                    there's a very deep level of joy that can come. It's a good 
                    topic to talk about.
                  THE AUDIENCE: 
                    One of the things that hurts me, you naming them, I know all 
                    of them, is that it's like I'm paying attention.
                  JACK: 
                    People do have all of them. They're all common human forces 
                    that operate in each of us. There may be ones that we tend 
                    to have more than another, but they're all the elements of 
                    the make-up of the normal human mind. So it's not so much 
                    a question of which we have or don't have. Some people have 
                    them all at once, what's called, A Multiple Hindrance Attack. 
                    What's important in meditation is not what the experience 
                    is, but what is our relationship to it as it arises. So as 
                    we get to see what are our top ten tunes, and the popular 
                    ones for us, then we can also begin to look at whether we 
                    can develop a mindful or a skillful or a passionate relationship 
                    that leads us to freedom in relation to that. It may be that 
                    we all have to work down the list or up the list, depending 
                    on where you want to start. I think that's true.